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Who Did and Didn't Sing Live: MAMA 2020 

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Today I’m going to share with you my thoughts on MAMA performances while commenting on live vocals in Kpop generally in 2020 while showing how they have evolved since 10 years ago. From Ateez to Twice, to Stray Kids to IZ*ONE, this video isn’t meant in a malicious way because you can still have great performances without singing live, but for me personally, I connect with live vocals.
We have some performances that were LAR, or live all recorded, where the idols are lip syncing over a pre-recorded track that sounds live, but the movement they do or the energy they have doesn’t match the track that is playing. So if someone jumps, you don’t hear it, if someone is out of breath, you’re not going to hear that because they likely were not dancing while recording this track. The thing is, if you can’t hear a struggle, then I’m apprehensive. But Kpop has gotten smart, they even started recording imperfections into their lip synching tracks.
We also have LMR performance, where live vocals peak through a back up track and we have very few of those this year. We also have performances that are live, but heavily autotuned so no imperfections are heard.
But not having live vocals, or performing over a pre-recorded live track does NOT mean that the performance is bad. My favs do it, your favs do it. It’s impossible to expect people to sing and dance and sound super stable and 100% perfect. That’s not reasonable. If you are dancing, you’re going to hear a struggle when you’re singing.
So all that to say, I personally value live vocals, but I also understand the state of Kpop and how it’s evolved and I get that not every performance should be expected or needs to be live. We all value our own things in performances, but I just want everyone to understand that I do not hate groups that don’t sing live, I don’t feel entitled to their live vocals, and these are just my observations based on what I like. Also keep in mind that we have no idea what the award show or these music shows do in terms of editing idols voices before they upload these videos, and they have been known to add autotune.
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:15 Types of Vocal Performances
1:49 LAR, Live All Recorded
3:28 LMR, Live Music Recorded
4:35 Autotune
5:07 The Stigma
8:20 Ateez: Inception + Answer
12:23 Twice: Cry for me, More & More, I Can't Stop Me
14:47 Jessi & Hwasa: Gang, Nununana
16:22 Stray Kids: Victory Song
18:51 (G)i-dle X Oh My Girl: Bad Girl, Good Girl
20:39 NCT, Taemin: Resonance, Criminal
23:11 TXT: Blue Hour, Dynamite
23:58 BTS: On, Dynamite, Life Goes On
25:09 BigHit Labels Vocals?
27:59 IZ*ONE: Medley + Secret Story of the Swan

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2020 9 دسامبر

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angelina
angelina پیش ماه
my review of the Fact Music Awards! iritem.info/cd/fy-lm-h-y/iNyUXbOuzqO5bWw.html
Juju0LM
Juju0LM پیش ماه
Isn't it true that idols do several sessions on the same day and come back to do more the next day? So I think there is time to mix everything they think is more appropriate and even better to put in the final edition.
firefly 0118
firefly 0118 پیش 9 روز
ATEEZ SING LIVE IMMORTAL SONGS, MAMA YESS WE KNW
vanessa ray
vanessa ray پیش 10 روز
Those of you commenting about treasure... they were definitely not live. During “Boy,” there was no movement in their vocals while dancing... and during “I love you,” it’s very obvious they’re lip syncing (LAR).
itswhatevs214
itswhatevs214 پیش 10 روز
I'm definitely one of those people that like hearing the imperfections in live vocals. Is that weird? I liked the miss A song and performance from 2010 much better than the perfected smoothed out 2020 recording. I just think something about the tone changes and stuff in real live performances are more interesting to hear than perfection.
Mary Kaye Lim
Mary Kaye Lim پیش 12 روز
You missed a lot of great performances
frappi
frappi پیش 19 روز
Wish you had included tbz
Carmen Ng
Carmen Ng پیش 20 روز
No review of The Boyz's performance. I should have checked earlier before watching the rest of the video. Disappointed.
kyucalyptus
kyucalyptus پیش 21 روز
Angelina forgot TREASURE again LMAO!
annika reed
annika reed پیش 25 روز
I’ve noticed this in a video to two, why don’t you talk about Mamamoo? Bc I know you didn’t mention them here-even though they performed-and in your kpop comeback year review video
Reyna Lestari
Reyna Lestari پیش 25 روز
You really answer all of my question about all of this confusing live performance of kpop groups these days! Lol Thank you so much for this video Angelina. I agree with everything you said haha Can you please do analysis live performance to 2nd generation kpop groups for next video? like 2PM, 2ne1, Bigbang, etc.. whom mostly, I believe always singing Live or maybe LMR sometimes. I wanna know your opinion 😊
Paula Mponzi
Paula Mponzi پیش 27 روز
Jep i know
n__n
n__n پیش 28 روز
eh
Falka
Falka پیش 28 روز
Girl you really make your homework when you do these videos. I have loved it from the a to the z. Really well explained.
Sarah Az-Zahra Aisyah
Sarah Az-Zahra Aisyah پیش 28 روز
I think bts use autotune these days. You can clearly hear they sing, their breaths in fancam or their behind the scene video of the performance. Or maybe the also did the LAR in another take then in the end the production team edit it out
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni پیش ماه
not @ y'all literally sending her truckloads of hate just bc she didn't cover your faves performances. stay pressed ❤️
vanessa ray
vanessa ray پیش 10 روز
It’s so ridiculous!
Zoe Watanabe
Zoe Watanabe پیش ماه
Bruh there's no Treasure in this video even tho they sing live in MAMA. I'm just wasting my time here...
angela rose
angela rose پیش ماه
As for bts i think it's a mix of everything 🤣 they have such a mess in my opinion, like CHOOSE fndkdkw I love them to death but it's so weird to listen to such heavy auto autotune over live recorded vocals, it's so unnatural?
Yuki Kizuna
Yuki Kizuna پیش ماه
Honestly, I was just scrolling and looking at comments and I see some small fights going on (Idk what im saying)??? Everyone has their opinions and im fine with that but I just don't want fights between fans in each group (is that what its called, I forgot my words 😅😅). Note: I mean if anyone wants to just comment on here, please be nice because I don't want an argument to start. Thank you. 🙂🙂 And if someone wants to correct me (for what reason idk), then please also be nice because I don't wanna be angry for someone who I don't know. And thank you once again. 😄😄
Ana Mariana
Ana Mariana پیش ماه
ive watched just because i wanna know what she comment about treasure but until the end of the video theres no treasure hmm . im just wasting my time watch this video. she didnt mention the group who singing live such seventeen mamamoo Treasure. im so proud with Treasure . they always sang live
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni پیش ماه
stay pressed at least she educated y'all dumb hoes about live vocals
c h l o e
c h l o e پیش ماه
Smoothing out a life performance later makes me so sad, I love how raw and emotional the vocals are before 🙌🙌🙌
Jenny.First Li
Jenny.First Li پیش ماه
You should have reacted to nct u from home mama stage
sink
sink پیش ماه
Damn I wanted her to talk about nct's from home
Haechan's Children
Haechan's Children پیش ماه
Me tooooo
kc baby
kc baby پیش ماه
skz did not get ONE nomination. They were only there to perform for clout.. I'll did in that hill. EDIT. fuck MAMA
StanBlackpink StanBTS4life
In cry for me, I noticed that Twice’s lip movements are different than what they’re supposed to be saying so I’m assuming that they were lip syncing. No hate! They’re amazing and so talented!
Khalida Afzal
Khalida Afzal پیش ماه
Pointing out lip sync isn't always meant to be disrespectful. So people need to stop attacking someone who pints these things out cause it's not like they're trying to say that the artists can't sing or anything. Cause even if they are not singing live it is their own vocals that they are lip syncing to.
Cheeni Kookie
Cheeni Kookie پیش ماه
Unpopular opinion: Most of the 1st gen and 2nd gen performances and even some of the early 3rd gen performances were live (as in not auto-tuned or lip synced)
?_?
?_? پیش ماه
27:18 i think there were some parts in like lat and some part are autontune
Anne Wagner
Anne Wagner پیش ماه
People are nuts. Below the GOT7 video I said that their performance was nice but that the lip sync was too obvious and one “fan” sent me death threats 😑
vanessa ray
vanessa ray پیش 10 روز
People are insane over KPop.
lookupdownAni
lookupdownAni پیش ماه
I would prefer if they perform live and I don't need perfection.
idk난 몰라
idk난 몰라 پیش ماه
I am a singer and breathing at the same spot every performance is actually encouraged so idk why you think that is something that means it isn't live.
vanessa ray
vanessa ray پیش 10 روز
When it sounds exactly the same for the same amount of time - and the pops are the same. Plus she said she also looks at their faces to see if their faces match the performance.
Avril Mercado
Avril Mercado پیش ماه
sleeping on got7 again so sad
Haяuкa™
Haяuкa™ پیش ماه
I can't believe no one talking about TREASURE. They're 4 month old rookies and have the best vocals of 4th gen. Being a Yg artist, they sang completely live and even stuck to the theme. It even went trending everywhere. Stop sleeping on them guys!
Haяuкa™
Haяuкa™ پیش ماه
@361 Maitreyi Kulkarni Sis the title literally says "Who did and didn't..." which implies she would be talking about EVERYONE. But she didn't. She should've clarified it in the first few minutes of the video itself but she didn't. That's why everyone is angry in comment section. We don't like clickbaited to listen about 4 groups only.
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni پیش ماه
just bc she didn't cover it doesn't mean that you should give her hate. I see so many pressed fans like, wtf?? can't y'all be polite for once and say stuff a bit more nicely?? im a moomoo through and through but maybe she covered the ones that weren't live to prove her point??
Haяuкa™
Haяuкa™ پیش ماه
@Ana Mariana Ikr? I get that she has her own favorites and bias but then she should change her title. The current title implies everything would be talked about but turns out she only mentioned Treasure to question YG about Blackpink. Ugh. Their stage was the most expensive one (and the only one who stuck to the theme) but no one mentions its beauty. Mamamoo are vocal queens and yet get disrespected like this.
Ana Mariana
Ana Mariana پیش ماه
Treasure sang live but she's not even mention treasure. mamamoo seventeen treasure who r singing live didnt get mention here
Haяuкa™
Haяuкa™ پیش ماه
@Helen Amo Massively. Their mama performance has over 3.6M views and yet no one bothers to mention them. smh
Merciless Enemy
Merciless Enemy پیش ماه
It is nonsensical on why idols do lip sync. All second gen idols sing live everyday. Plenty of them could sing well from han seungwoo, zea, nine muses,, ukiss etc etc It is just excuse to be lazy. I rather see idols with bad vocal than lip sync if i wanna see lip sync, i could just watch fancy mv. This is why i don't watch the so called live performance anymore Lame 🌻🌻🌻🐢🐢
Camille MIETTE
Camille MIETTE پیش ماه
12:04 usually the tape means it's the middle of the stage and it helps for formations and stuff, but usually they try to make it discret
oikawa tooru
oikawa tooru پیش ماه
I'm 11 minutes in and reading the comments I just found out she doesn't talk about nct's from home performance and that's the only reason I came here.
Haechan's Children
Haechan's Children پیش ماه
Same 😔
Ayuni aot
Ayuni aot پیش ماه
6:50 🤣🙌
Carmen Casu
Carmen Casu پیش ماه
3:28 for some reason scared the shit out of me
chaespjm
chaespjm پیش ماه
the way most of us became an atiny during mama, happy one year to us all
Scarlet Fairy
Scarlet Fairy پیش ماه
For BTS, I feel like they do sing live most of the time bcuz in a lot of performances, you can hear that change in the flow or sometimes they pronounce some words differently (idk how to really explain it but you can hear it when you watch multiple performances) However, for award shows, it feels like there's a lot of smoothing going on and also they might also have like a backup track or smth that they're singing over, especially for the last words of a line. That's why they stop a little b4 the end and then catch their breath to get the next lyrics. I think that's how it is for a lot of other idols who sing live. But on a side note, Stray Kids' performance was so damn amazing and they deserve so much better tbh! And I'm sad they didn't invite more female idols, there were a lot of performances I wanted to see but oh well
Fireproof
Fireproof پیش ماه
Your argument for NCT not singing live was that the breath sound was in the same place that in the other performances. Here is why I personally disagree with that. When you train singing especially a particular song you pick a certain part where you have to take a breath to be able to keep on singing the next part. When you pick and you feel it is the right moment you stick with it. I did that many times I took a breath in the same place in the song everytime I sung it because it was the perfect space for me to do it so I didn’t change it. I believe they were singing live. I know it might be hard to believe. However SM is very strict when it comes to vocals and they have been making their idols train their breathing while singing and running on treadmill for years now.
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni پیش ماه
at least you're respectful while stating your disagreements. we like that.
Zoë
Zoë پیش ماه
Unfortunately all of SM artists’ performances this year were LAR, which was weird to me because since last year and all of before they’ve been singing live so I kind of just found it dissapointing
April .R.
April .R. پیش ماه
No mention of MAMAMOO, Got7, or Seventeen ? I’m out .
crinushka
crinushka پیش ماه
Concerning that arrow you mentioned at the beginning of the video, Angelina, and I am only speaking from my own perspective and experience in the backstage of musical and theatre productions, such things are usually used as markings. From what I saw there were at least 2 on this stage, but maybe more, less visible. They show where to stand so the light hits you in a certain way (when lighting moods are prerecorded, and they usually are) - one wouldn't want to stand in the dark or less lighted areas instead of the spotlight :)) Also, if moving cameras are involved, like here, it also shows up to where you can advance on stage, so you literally don't get smacked in the face. Or where the camera will catch your chocolate side best, as practiced in rehersals on that particular stage for that particular performance (especially for close- ups of the centre). So yeah, there are safety reasons too. Also, here they used a lot of video SFX/projections that involved parts of the stage, so artists should also be in particular spots, so their choreo matches the lighting and video design :) hope this explains things a bit better. If anyone has other opinions, feel free to add them. :)
Autumn leaves
Autumn leaves پیش ماه
bts sang live as always 🤗
Lee Sandwhich
Lee Sandwhich پیش ماه
this is what you get when the industry doesn't favor actual real singing talent... normalizing fake singing.. i think in the west we value Authentic skill way more than they do
Vj Arcenal
Vj Arcenal پیش ماه
Did mamamoo do it live or not? On mama 2020?
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni
361 Maitreyi Kulkarni پیش ماه
according to me, yes they did sing live. the bg track was a bit too loud and I think hyejin did a lil bit of lipsyncing but it was live bc I could literally hear solar singing during the dance break of aya. it's very prominent.
hikaria luqito
hikaria luqito پیش ماه
Nct u from home is one of amazing live performances that night
never mind
never mind پیش ماه
Other kpop gg not singing live in award shows: they are just tired!!!! When twice doesn't sing live during award shows: eww they can't sing live!! Talentless!!! Their juniors is more talented than them!!!
jubs
jubs پیش ماه
where's TREASURE?????
NA
NA پیش ماه
I hate when youtubers always leave out SVT 😃 and when they talk about them.. they just go over it quickly. I get people have diff tastes but why leave out a big group like them?
Juliana Ortiz Marquez
Juliana Ortiz Marquez پیش ماه
Kinda sad you didn’t talk about Treasure
Melody Cao
Melody Cao پیش ماه
Honestly I miss live vocals in performances so much, just no autotune. I hate how the standards have changed because all it does is set unrealistic expectations. So many fans think autotuned or prerecorded vocals are live. It makes me cringe how I go onto MR removed videos and everyone praises their faves for eating CDs when the vocals aren't live. My issue is even non-dance performances are autotuned now. Nearly all live performances have autotune over them, like Masked Singer, even Knowing Bros. Or those 'live' performance vids idols release which are autotuned. It's getting so hard to hear raw vocals besides on vlive or short snippets. I love unedited vocals, like you said it adds authenticity. I don't see the point of editing live vocals like that, otherwise I'd just go listen to the recorded version. Why call it a live performance then.
Zul Hasreen
Zul Hasreen پیش ماه
treasure sing live right?
Cla Ra
Cla Ra پیش ماه
If we're talking about vocals then it seems odd Mamamoo is not here😆
Im A Queen Like A Lion
Can't believe you didn't talk about Yuqi on the Cover She Seriously Over Power the backing vocals with her Powerful Voice! Just like the Real Performance!
Alva Rosager
Alva Rosager پیش ماه
I'm tired of it being a whole-ass detective story to figure out whether or not someone is singing live. I'm tired of not knowing who's a good singer and who's not. I just want some realness, even if it doesn't sound perfect!!
Conxfused
Conxfused پیش ماه
my woosan heart broke when i saw both of them carrying the flags 🤟🏻😔
Keziah saint
Keziah saint پیش ماه
SEVENTEEN? WHERE??
Marley Gilbert
Marley Gilbert پیش ماه
I will say that musicians and performers always plan breaths so that the song sounds consistent + so that they don't accidentally hyperventilate/make sure they have enough air for the next part. I'm not an nctzen so I'm not sure how much live they do but the breaths always being in the same place is kinda expected
j_joseph
j_joseph پیش ماه
I hate yall for this. Kpop fans literally gag me with this argument. Yall would shred these artists to pieces if they sang and danced live, but god forbid they have backing vocals and yall drag them from here to kingdom come. Never satisfied. Anyway the performances were great. NCT - From Home was so beautiful.
Audrey
Audrey پیش ماه
in summary stan ateez
im a hashbrown
im a hashbrown پیش ماه
who's here rn because angelina's music show voting is tomorrow!!!
Emaan Nasir
Emaan Nasir پیش ماه
What about MAMAMOO i mean they always sing live but just asking why they arent in the video
148ESTHER
148ESTHER پیش ماه
Well I can tell you that EXO sing live. Watch their concerts. SM has got among the best vocalists and their live performances is the evidence.
2 m0_0π
2 m0_0π پیش ماه
Why is no one talking about Mamamoo?
Justin
Justin پیش ماه
Jessi is the Queen of Live Performance. Periodt💅
FluffyBunchy
FluffyBunchy پیش ماه
I honestly really loved svt's performance lmao
뷔산atiny
뷔산atiny پیش ماه
I SEE LIGHTINY 👁️👄👁️
Lauren Cia
Lauren Cia پیش ماه
Why you are not talking about hwasa solo stage?
wild&young
wild&young پیش ماه
I saw ateez i clicked it
koolvr
koolvr پیش ماه
and you made a whole section of autotune only for bighit labels ..... for what..? obviously these award shows will edit idols’ live vocals to make the show seem as flawless as possible. and when u were talking abt txt’s live vocals, beomgyu’s voice is naturally very breath-y (?) and during music shows they do sing live, and for last year’s award shows txt only had mr playing in the background.
ilicit
ilicit پیش ماه
people literally have nothing else to do lol
Aurora Ivashkov
Aurora Ivashkov پیش ماه
Can't believe no GOT7 or Mamamoo mention in this. I'm really surprised. I always wait for GOT7 and Mamamo when it comes to live performances. They are just so good at live performances. Dancing, vocals, charisma, visuals, stage presence and connecting with the audience, they're great at every expect. Truly satisfying performances to watch! 👏
MusicalIrishgrl
MusicalIrishgrl پیش ماه
I've seen a few of your videos before and like your input because I know 3rd gen more than 2nd gen. I just have a note and a comment. If you are going to only talk about some of the performances I think it would good if you mention that in the beginning of your video as you left out performances people were waiting for you to talk about and maybe change the title to reflect that as well. For the breath being in the same place that doesn't automatically mean its LAR because there are designated spots for breathing in every song. When I used to perform I would mark on my sheet music where I should breathe and with how much the idols practice and the amount of dancing breath marks are even more important and very common. I'm not saying it's not LAR but it is possible either way. Edit: fixed spelling error.
History Maker
History Maker پیش ماه
This is not healthy dear kpop fans
Anna F
Anna F پیش ماه
I love your analysis, I think I'm going to stay here for a little bit longer, thank you!
Rada Alice
Rada Alice پیش ماه
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kattyrosi
kattyrosi پیش ماه
Ok gurl I’m not trying to be mean (maybe i am ) but like i feel like YOU are the one rlly i dont know what to say like not bashing but like a little rude because you were mostly i dont rlly know how to say this but like it felt wierd i didnt watch the whole video i just watched half of it since ya know i talk a Lot but i have a habit to get annoyed when others talk if that is even a habit and btw not all kpop fans are like that there are kpop fans that truly care about their idols and i dont know why i even made this comment anymore .-. 𝔾𝕠𝕠𝕕𝕓𝕪𝕖✌︎︎
MeowChip
MeowChip پیش ماه
How can u not talk about the chilling opening to nct with taeyong decenting upon us, like i died when they just stood there with intense looks
slanis
slanis پیش ماه
Thanks for mentioning BoA... oh wait. 😑
K Davis
K Davis پیش ماه
You showed a picture of Enhypen while talking about BTS, just FYI. Otherwise, I liked this commentary very happy. Keep up the good work! 💜💜
Hannah Ay-ad
Hannah Ay-ad پیش ماه
What i need to hear : Taemin is pure art
Jessica Å
Jessica Å پیش ماه
I love NCT but they most always use recorded voice perfomances. I guess they do it because of the hyped up stages, but idk. I feel like I'd rather hear them pant and struggle than a clean, perfect recording. I get that some parts kind of have to be recorded, but why most if not all? I hope kpop one day returns to performances where all idols are allowed to sing live, even if they sound "perfect" or not.
Tia Laura
Tia Laura پیش ماه
if we practice and always take a breath in a certain part then we will automatically take a breath everytime we reach that part. So always breathing in the same section cannot be used as a sign that a singer whether they are singing live or not.
Heo Hyunjoon
Heo Hyunjoon پیش ماه
The Boyz came from small company with no any senior group. Since they weren't nominated, hope mnet paid for that production stage. Because tbz was literally invited to promote kingdom. The audacity.
Earl Marzon
Earl Marzon پیش ماه
TREASURE had a 10-minute performance but you didn't include them. Sad..
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I see ateez and straykids, I click
Rey Manansala
Rey Manansala پیش ماه
How about enhypen? Did they lip sync during their performance?
remember MEMORI
remember MEMORI پیش ماه
I feel you, the tape bothered me so bad 😂😂😂😂😂
JJONG HARIBO
JJONG HARIBO پیش ماه
You could actually hear a bit of seonghwa voice at the end of the rap its like "shshhs EH" i cant really explain but yeah wth why was the back up vocals so loud. I wanted to hear my man hitting them notes but all i heard was back up vocals. Also im pretty sure everyone got distracted by the tapes
Princess Aspe
Princess Aspe پیش ماه
Idk why people don't stan ateez
qila meow
qila meow پیش ماه
Twice!!!
Johanes Paulus
Johanes Paulus پیش ماه
mamamoo no cap
Username • 15 years ago
Mamamoo had the best performance in my opinion
Dark Angel
Dark Angel پیش ماه
Only NCT is the standard SM artist always on top
Idam Lawolo
Idam Lawolo پیش ماه
I don't know why you didn't mention them, Angelina. Just wanna share that BoA, Seventeen, Mamamoo and Jessi's performance was STUNNING.
Valerie Fiore
Valerie Fiore پیش ماه
I was absolutely shocked by Chan during stray kids whole performance, the energy and live vocals that he brought the entire time were incredible
Shaifudin Abdullah
Shaifudin Abdullah پیش ماه
more talk😓
mus7c
mus7c پیش ماه
i love that you added at the end that despite them not performing on this show doesn't mean they aren't talented. i think at this point in the industry live backings are oftentimes more so to save idols from potential "mess ups" which shouldn't really mean anything. most -- if not all -- of these idols have demonstrated they fully capable of singing and dancing live in fancams, concerts, and other not pre-recorded events.
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