Are KPOP Idols Still Talented? 

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The main reason I like ateez is they are mad and wild on stage like animal .THATS what made me ATINY

What's with these people ateez and txt are one of the best performers of 4th gen.When they can't find anything to hate they just say they are just too much perfect lol

"Worldwide Handsome" Jin of BTS suffered early on through this kind of attack as being the "least talented member" of BTS. It's true he did not have dancing or singing experience in his youth and he targeted acting as his university major which requires posture and comportment, which could be his nickname of the "old man" eldest member in the group. But look at him now, not only keeping up singing and dancing with the most talented members ever, his personality is outstanding with most generations without sacrificing his authenticity.

I don't have any complain about 3racha actually, they already good😌

The fact that Ateez is so chaotic and raw made me love them and explore their music.. love them ❤️

I think all idols are talented, they were trained for YEARS and they wouldn't have been debuted in the first place if they weren't

Do you know why i like Ateez because they are wild and crazy on stage

why are people pressed on ateez stage presence. Like they are one of the best if not the best groups on stage. Their stage presence is immaculate...

I adore and support ateez. They're super talented but I'm just a little worried that Jongho might strain his voice too much and end up with hurt vocal cords :

Unpopular opinion: If you're being paid to be an idol you should be able to sing. I don't even care if an idol can dance, but the whole point is that they are singers. I don't think it's okay to just say "but they have a great personality!" and call it a day. Having a great personality doesn't mean you should be getting paid millions for it. That's the thing of it for me, there are idols essentially being paid for having an entertaining personality and that's it, not an actual talent.

I think when it comes to ateez and facial expressions..it is also one of the reasons why I love them, but I would like to see them do something different. I love all their songs, but I'd like to see them have a title song that is completely different. Strip it down. Nothing crazy

STAN ATEEZ ❤️

you say a lot of shit

i know i'm late but these people just forgot that idols are human.... and opinions existed ;)

Lmao everything is a comparison game with some kpop fans. They cant make a point about anything without comparing generations, groups, idols to each other.... Like that person saying "these days" idol groups dont have what it takes to make it big in the music industry lmaooo like what, earlier idol groups were perfect?

There's a lot of world class artists that can't sing, take Britney spears for example, I don't like her, but there's no way I'm gonna call her untalented, while I know she has many other qualities that make her a phenomenal performer, I don't vibe with her, that's just preference, only a blind ass fool would call her untalented because her singing ain't all that. Then there are performers whose quality and power vocally declined, but your not going to call them untalented, they might not be able to hit the notes of the past or have to sing it in a different key but so what? People still vibe to, still connect, so what if your kit is a bit less than before, its what you do with what you've got that matters.

when you said chaotic you reminded me of BTS LOL they do have stage presence

I think for the whole idols being artists thing , isn't what kpop is about , these idol groups kind of mainly represent the company's music , except a few self producing ones , like for eg especially during the 2nd gen JYP would always put his name or a little skit in his group's songs like in Wonder girls nobody and miss A good girl bad girl "jyp ...made in Asia ..miss A.." something along these lines So it conveys that these idols represent jyp more than they represent themselves if that makes sense😬😅😅

You are really cute!

kpop went to shit when people started stanning because of relevancy, looks and popularity

A 100% for praising San and ATEEZ 💖💖💖💕🤗🤗 But those who hates them and are complaining for something those Anteez don't actually have, well I guess they just have to liven things around them and learn the words “Appreciation and Happiness ”. LOL Life is too short for dragging these superb Bgroup mehn. Like Hongjoong said: Open your eyes😳👀👀👀👀....😁

we want NAMES !!! NAMES !!! NAMES !!! LET'S BRING CHAOS IN THIS COMMENT SECTION !!!!!!

i love how the ppl who call idols untalented sit on the couch eating potato chips not knowing how to do anything that idols do

San's satanic fan cams were what led me to join the ATEEZ fandom in the first place. I too have thought the words tHeIr SoNgS aRe tOo InTeNsE fOr Me, but LOL now here's me loving every single song in their discography and buying their albums and watching their online concert. As a Moomoo first and foremost, I feel like stage presence is either engaging live singing / rapping like MAMAMOO does, or you better be dancing and performing so incredibly it justifies all the lip syncing, and ATEEZ does just that and even more than that, they go 100% even when they're far from the center position, and that's performance ethic I don't see all that often. That said, there are a lot of amazing groups out there with great stage presence, great visuals, and hilarious variety show talent that I also follow closely, but don't exactly 'stan'. In the end, it's really about whether or not you vibe with all of the members' personalities enough to become a solid fan and commit to buying their merchandise.

The second you played Ateez on Mama 2019 I got GOOSEBUMPS

I feel like this person just googled random words and formed them into an article. They don’t know what they’re even on about lol.

People need to stop the hate on Ateez’s Stage presence. They just became my ult group yesterday because of how expressive they are.

ateez and txt are so incredible with their facial expressions, performance is literally about facial expressions. and as someone who loves theatre, they give me real performance vibes! during an inception performance, san and seonghwa literally look like they're going to start crying during the whole performance but they're just that into the song. it was so beautiful, and just really well done.

i've literally NEVER heard someone complain about idols making facial expressions while dancing, that person is so weird. why do they make an open letter, saying "we" like other ppl think that way wtf? like HALF of a good performance is in the face. if a group did their choreo perfectly but all had blank faces, it would look like shit. that being said, if an idol is not expressing the style of the song well or they look disingenuous, then i get that. but a passionate or intense expression is "chaotic"? even tho it fits the vibe of the song perfectly? ok...

I stop reading opinions as soon as they say mmmm ateez are overdancing and exaggerating like stfu jessica you don't even know how to dance or act

I appreciate them

Y’all really bashing ATEEZ for what? Being talented stage performers?

Personality is really important to idols because that's what makes the K-Pop industry unique- the so much personal interactions with the fans.

Some y'all hate Mia just because she can sing dance and rap like what the heck

I dont know about other but I can speak for bts and they ARE TALENT

No hate and shade, i tried to get into ateez but i can't get into them (watch all their mv, fancam, their interview etc), i just can't vibing with them, but i respect them as idols, I'm a huge fan of gen 2-early gen 3 idols and yeah CL/2ne1, GD/bigbang, 2pm, EXO, Vixx, etc have amazing stage presence wise, and their facial expressions never cringy and extreme or overdone and still amazing on stages, and their talent are in par with their stage presence and their personality (variety show) skills are amazing as well, so for me everyone in the group has to have presence within their group, even if he/she ended up to be the least popular member, their "talent" still backing up their importance to be in the group.

Hey angelina, you are beautiful love yourself no matter what

*Angelina talks about how idols doing covers could get them hate* Me: *has flashbacks of the hate Ateez got for covering bts*

An idol can never have too much stage presence, they are all rounded performers at the end of the day & that's what they were trained to do: perform, even in the smallest expressions

Txt is underrated according to their songs they deserve much better I meant by thier comeback in october

The Ateez praise in these comments 🥺

Well you can deny it as much as you want . But it's a fact that MOST 4th gen groups are not good at singing, the main vocalits of these new groups will not be more than lead vocalists in 2nd and even 3rd gen groups. They don't have rappers (rappers are just bad singers) but what we can't deny is that THEY CAN DANCE. Its basically the DANCE generation

Same, I don't care either I kid you I stan one group bc they are short lmao

Am I the only one that think of a certain group whenever they described something?

10:35 the person who commented this, has they ever heard an artist called STRAY KIDS?

Kai's facial expressions always stand out to me and bring a new edge to the performance! I love facial expressions during performances. They give some individual flair to the performance that someone else might not bring. They just further individualize performances and that's always good!

I don't stan ateez but i guess "overdancing" matches their song wonderland. Love their stage presence. I'm an army but there was this one time in mama dna performance dance break where jimin went a bit too far with the energy that I felt weirded out because he stood out way too much. Match the energy with song you're performing to like dionysus where he can dance his brain out. It's just vibing with the song really

Ateez>exo

can we address how nasty people are to ateez tho? the bandwagon hate they’ve been getting on twitter is insane. people saying they look like they have seizures on stage? which i find interesting bc ateez use a lot krump (a black dance style) in their more intense choreo which is VERY difficult to execute. san is usually the butt of these “jokes” since he’s usually center in those intense parts bc he executes it the best. you guys see a different kind of dance style and suddenly they’re having seizures on stage? how ignorant can you be? ateez are easily one of the best performers of the 4th gen but some of you guys are so used to dead faces and boring performances that it’s hard for y’all to accept that. and people act like ateez only have intense songs/choreo when they’ve done almost all styles in less than 2 years. as an atiny it’s just so frustrating to see all the hate they get cuz it’s so UNPROVOKED. if they were some messy problematic bg i wouldn’t have cared but they’re not. ah idek where i’m going with this, people just need to stop being so mean to atz for no reason.

the first person sounded like a toxic second gen stan i said what i said idc

I pick my biases usually based of off personality if no one catches my eye visually. I don't hate on idols that aren't my bias like bro I love all of them.

Haters could literally make any bs up just to hate on idol like wtf is tOo MuCh FaCiAl ExPrEsSiOn?

The real deal is the lack of vocal talent declining generation after generation. Just look at SNSD/SUJU/SHINEE/2NE1/WG stages compared to ITZY/TXT/EVERGLOW

As long as the members complement each other. An example is BTS, only 3 of the 7 members danced before entering the group. However, since their debut they were one of the groups with the best performances (in addition to stage presence) only two of the 7 wrote and composed songs, nowadays they all do. Over time the members of a group improve, they learn from the virtues of the others and they will start complementing each other. That is why a Rookie group should not be judged so harshly either.

But honestly like did ya'll ever try singing like Jongho? I think he doesn't even do it just to make an "extreme" facial expression..... like, I look like that when I sing high notes too like bish not everyone can look like Ariana Grande while hitting those notes

all idols are hella talented and people are too judegmental. Sure, they have weaknesses or things they can improve on or you can tell if another idol is better, but overall, they are talented and way better than the average person

The talent thing and personality awards....I agree, especially since I love Minho's voice (Stray Kids) but the line distribution sucksss and he's the main dancer and sure he's fine as hell for that but I wanna hear more of his voice and ofc his personality, is amazing but I wanna hear more of this voice and Yuta's too...

Short answer is a big yes. Why? Cause (G)i-dle exists. Arguably even better than most of the senior groups. One of the best right now. Wait, but are they still considered new? But they’re part of the 4th generation so..

Every performers know facial expressions are one of the main skills of performing, as it draws in audiences attention. Ateez are just too good at it.

People confuse stage presence with winking and smiling at the camera.

so far i only stanned ggs but the clips of ateez facial expressions and the care they put into portraying the story of the song makes me wanna check them out...

I kind of agree with the last post but not with wording. I think good personality is a skill in itself. Because what we see the idols present as is never 100% their actual personality. It's not fake, every human is like this, wishing to put out the best version of themselves out to the public. And the skill of doing so consistently, and crafting a truly splendid and dazzling version of yourself is something only a few people have. It's a talent, charisma is a talent. So I would say that yeah I also don't mind if my bias is not good at "art" skills like singing, dancing or even acting... as long as they are talented in being charismatic/a person you can fall for. From the biases I have, none of them are either main dancers or main vocals. I can't say they are not good at all at any of these things but I love them most for their personality, for the natural soothing tone of voice and expression rather than actual singing, if it makes sense.

I need to say it, I was pissed when dance version of the "Ice cream" video came out and it was animated. I'm an animator, I don't mind animation, but it should be an extra, A dance version of the video should have been the easiest thing to shoot. I knew Selena Gomez won't be part of it, but let Blankpink do their thing. No point on being super talented if you won't have the right platform to show it :/

ATEEZ MA BOIS NEXT LEVEL WHEN ITS COMES TO PERFORMANCE

i had a bad day and all i have to say is ATEEZ ARE AWESOME PERFORMERS, YOUR FAVES ARE JUST BORING

i really adore the fact that you like jonghos facial expressions while singing! 1:59 little do non vocalists know, you have to scrunch your face up, open your mouth a little and show some emotion to sing as well as jongho, or many other great vocalists actually, so what he does is not only perfectly correct but also shows how confident and powerful he is :) also, so sorry for all kpop stans who hate on him for his facials and value looks over good vocal. people see something that isn't a blank emotionless face and think it's too much for them. stan ateez

I will say that the phrase "over-dancing" is a real thing or at least from when I watch videos of professional dancers analyzing kpop choreography, I see comments like "so and so has a tendency to over-dance." I am assuming that means is over-exaggerating movements or doing your own thing outside of the original choreo, ideally it should be clean, polished and flow. HOWEVER THAT BEING SAID, I personally love how much Ateez embodies their choreography especially in live performances like you can tell that they love doing what they do and will give EVERYTHING THEY GOT! If some people don't like it, well that's their opinion (though some people voice their opinions really rudely, like what the heck??) but I personally love to see how intense Ateez goes with their stages. Like you said WE NEED THE CHAOS SOMETIMES!!

No one in a group will ever be on the same level in terms of skill. You need different people to bring different skills to the table and naturally people will pick up where others are lacking. Not everything is black and white

I'm in the first opinion I was like I know you f**king lying

If we were only interested in great technical singers, we'd all be listening to Opera singers. which we don't. No shade to Opera singers, but sometimes we want to enjoy a fun song.

I think the problem with groups today is probably that the companies do forget to highlight their artists talents. Like I think it's important for them to show both personality and talent. I had no idea Lia from Itzy had the voice she had, until I saw a video of the best 4 gen female artists and there was a bunch of covers that Lia had done and she was absolutely amazing and I was so shocked!!! Also no I don't think it's necessary for all the members to be at the same level and yes personalities does matter. But even though I don't think it's necessary for all members to be at the same level, I do think it's necessary that the companies still are able to bring light/highlight the different members, so they don't suddenly gets "Left behind/forgotten". And they should still try to achieve that each member is present in their music videos, or try to "make-up" for it, in another video, if they weren't able to achieve it in the first one. There's a lot of ways in which a company can show their individual artist, from putting in dance solos, not having to release the most vocal "impressed/difficult" song everytime, letting them have an online presence, like a IRitem channel, shine as models/actors or through variety programs.

Having a personality category sounds like a wonderful idea, because a lot of members of groups are super cool and funny but don’t get to showcase it! It would be cool to have like an entertainment competition as well

"Idols these days aren't good at singing* me: *laughs in Minnie.Miyeon,Seungmin,Chuu,Lia and Yeji*

I think Ateez and Dreamcatcher are a fresh air and energy to the repetitive kpop

Hi Angelina! I think it would be interesting if you added The Boyz in your Kpop Shenanigans segment. They won 1st place on the show Road to Kingdom back in June, and now they’re having a comeback. The concept is really interesting, and it would be fun if you talked about them in your channel I love your videos😁💕

imagine training for literal years just to be told you’re over-dancing and over-exaggerating... sure

Honestly I am the type of person who does not enjoy chaotic performences. But umm Ateez just does it right. Performence wise the best 4th gen boy group.

when that comment said idols shouldnt only have good variety skills they should also have talent, and then suddenly i remember ateez and seventeen exist . singers on day, comedians on night 🤩

I luv ATEEZ facial expressions because it adds to their performances. They envoc emotion, and show each members distinct personalities. I don't understand about their expressions being too much. Most Kpop 4th generation groups give cookie cutter facial expressions which for me makes the performance cold, or too polished, too practiced. Even with dancing sometimes it seems too practiced, too perfect, that I have a hard time differentiating between each member. DONT GET ME WRONG I luv 4th generation Kpop groups regardless. ATEEZ members have charisma and their videos are hilarious! It makes them relatable and genuine because they put themselves out there regardless of whether they look dorky or they are embarrassed. ATEEZ is different from whats out there in Kpop and maybe because they are so different it effects their popularity especially in Korea. They are the underdog in many ways so I really want them too Succeed and be recognized as a power house in Kpop!

How are people with no experiance judge actual performers..I think it's just anti's trying to find something to say negative. Anyways stan ATEEZ

some people have never done acting and it shows LMAOO ateez is a prime example of what you’re supposed to be doing on stage. on stage you have to ‘over exaggerate’ your facial expressions and, your movements. this makes your audience feel absorbed into your performance. basically, as an entertainer you’re supposed to do exactly as that. but, ateez and txt are the only groups who do this perfectly. so next time you shit on ateez for being ‘too extra’, do your research on theatre

I really liked ateez but i liked their intense concept

Y'all need to get out of the house!

People getting mad in the comments section with 'Ateez don't overdance your favs are just boring' like I mean if it doesn't apply to your favs why are you getting mad?? If you genuinely think your favs aren't boring you won't be pressed over that comment, y'all the ones setting your favs up ngl

I've attended (informal) theater workshops before and with my friend who was teaching and was a theater actress told me that as actors on stage portraying a character, we always have to put up the biggest movements, the widest facial expressions and to act or sing or deliver lines in the clearest way with enough loudness, and perform as if there's an old lady on the farthest seat on the theater who can't hear well nor see well. I think Ateez are just theatrical when it comes to performing on stage. At the end of the day, it all comes down to preference, like in my case, I've been a Carat for a long while and honestly i'm so used to SVT's clean precise choreo no matter what sound they take on so when Ateez came in with all that powerful and chaotic energy, i immediately was drawn to it realizing i guess i needed a dose of that type of chaotic vibe or wild stage presence every once in a while.

I'm so tired of the 'ATEEZ are doing too much' narrative. Just say you prefer perfect robotic moves with the occasional body roll + wink combo and move along lol.

I agree some facial expressions are exaggerated, like its too unnecessary..... All in all I agree with your opinion Angelina : )

unpopular opinion but I follow Got7 not for the music but for their variety skill. They're such a funny group and now have mellowed out over the years.

Even me!!! I got into ATEEZ becoz of mama performance they Byrnes the stage and scrunching face shows they actually ARE singing live! And not just lip syncing!

yes end of question.

I disagree that "anyone can have a technically good voice" It's not so easy as just training and then you get it. Also I don't think unique vocals are what that person was talking about. Yes park Bom isn't the most technically good, but she doesn't sound like a teen girl who went to a karaoke room with her friends. You can tell she likes music and can sing. Though I would say that technique is important not just for the sound but also bc bad technique can deteriorate one's voice giving them a shorter career. I agree with that comment mostly because you'll hear some girl who can barely do anything with her voice but can just sing perfectly in tune. It makes it feel less genuine like the music is a side thing. That's one of the reasons a lot of people don't take those artists very easily which is fine, there is a spectrum in kpop between idol and artist, but I get annoyed mostly when these same fans who say talent doesn't matter scream that their bias who can't sing, dance, compose, rap, perform right or anything is still an "artist" and that there is no difference.

Of course idols are talented... that's why we are sitting our non-talented butts watching them through a screen. My point is that "arm chair coaching" is all that any of us are able to do. It's not like we are going to get on stage and show them how it's done. LOL

Of course ppl will say ateez are over-expressive. Y'all are just used to dead faces singing bebebheee~~ with 1-2 moves

Well, people forget that THEY ARE ONLY IDOLS. It means they may be not as talented as "talented artist" so don't demande too much from them or overpraise them. I follow Kpop for more than 15 years and I am a fan of a 1st gen group. In those days, the idols only needed to have decent talent, they had a lot of flaws: mediocre vocal technique, mediocre (or funny) rap style, decent and nice dance movement. Of course they can improve and some of them now can be considered as "talented artists" but that's a later history. Kpop nowadays focus too much on the perfection that fans are so obsessed with how "PERFECT" their idols are. Fans often overpraise their idols and make themselves stupid in the eyes on non-fans. They also forget how their idols are only decently talented and how to enjoy seeing them improve and grow up through time. How come they can improve if they're already "too perfect"? That's why these days we rarely see live performance, i mean REAL live performance. In 1st gen and 2nd gen of Kpop, we used to see funnily terrible live performance, A LOT OF crack notes and how we used to joke abt our idols mediocre rap and singing but we still love them. These days? Everything sounds suspiciously PERFECT and people get crazy about a crack note or a lip-sync performance. Come on, they are ONLY IDOLS. Lastly, Idols are not just about singing. Every member has a role. Some of them sing, some of them rap, some of them dance, some of them are visually beautiful, some of them are funny entertainers. Some of them are both this and that. Sometimes I don't see the necessity of some members in some groups but i am an outsider. If i am a fan, maybe i can have an insight view. They exist for a purpose, i think?

yoo ngl i clicked only because of Goddess Seunghee in the thumbnail TT

man YALL TASTELESS 🥱 stan talent stan ateez 🥰❤️

I think ATEEZ is incredibly talented but to a new person it probably is a bit overwhelming to see so much power in a performance and it might take a little ehile to get used to that intensity

Personally the Ateez facial expression thing is just not for me, but if other people enjoy why drag them down? They’re obviously talented performers and if it works for them and people like them for it where’s the issue? There’s no need to be so negative when something isn’t your preference lmfao

STAN LOONAAA